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[full disclosure, Airflow committer here] I've never heard of "HP Operation Orchestration", but that looks like a drag and drop enterprise tool from a different Windows-GUI era. Airflow is very different, it's workflows defined as code which is a totally different paradigm. The Airflow community believes that when workflows are defined as code, it's easier to collaborate, test, evolve and maintain them. Though maybe the HP tool exposes an API?

To address some of your comments:

- About stability, I'm not sure what version you've used, or which executor you were using, but if stability was a concern I don't think we'd have such a large and thriving community. Nothing is perfect, but clearly it's working well for hundreds of companies.

- About stopping jobs, if the task instance state is altered or cleared (through the web ui or CLI), the task will exit and the failure will be handled. Earlier versions (maybe 1-2 years back?) did not always do that properly.

- About Python: Python 3.7 was released late June 2018, and I think there are PRs addressing the `async` issue already. We fully support 2.7 to 3.6, and 3.7 very soon. You need to give software a chance and a bit of time to adapt to new standards. I wonder which % of pypi packages support 3.7 at this point, or how many have 3.7 in their build matrix, but my guess is that it's very low.

- XCOMs are fine in many cases, though if you're not passing data or metadata from a task to another that doesn't mean that there's no context that exist for the execution of the task. We recommend having determinisc context and data locations (meaning the same task instance would always target the same partition or data location).

- Dynamic: the talk linked to above clarifies what kind of dynamism Airflow supports. It's very common to build DAGs dynamically, though the shape of the DAG cannot shape at runtime. Conceptually an Airflow DAG is a proper directed acyclic graph, not a DAG factory or many DAGs at once. Note that you can still write dynamic DAG factories if you want to create DAGs that change based on input.

- No optimization: the contract is simple, Airflow executes the tasks you define. While you can do data-processing work in Python inside an Airflow task (data flow), we recommend to use Airflow to orchestrate more specialized systems like Spark/Hadoop/Flink/BigQuery/Presto to do the actual data processing. Airflow is first and foremost an orchestrator.

- DAG parsing timeouts are configurable. DAG creation times for large DAGs have been improved in the past versions. But clearly it's easier for humans to reason about smaller DAGs. DAGs with thousands of tasks aren't ideal but they are manageable.

One thing to keep in mind is that thriving open source software evolves quickly, and Airflow gets 100+ commits monthly, and has dozens of engineers from many organizations working on it full time. From what I can see it's clearly the most active project in this space.

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